Attorney Venkat Balasubramani Comments on Chan v. Ellis Appeal Case

tech-market-blogAs we enter February 2015, the anticipation of the decision from the Georgia Supreme Court on my appeal grows with each passing week. Based on our estimates, the time for their decision is fairly imminent.  By imminent, I would be surprised if we didn’t get a decision by the end of March 2015. As we wait for the decision, I wanted to take some time revisit notable comments made by a legal/lawyer blogger in support of my case.

On October 10, 2014, Seattle attorney Venkat Balasubramani wrote a legal commentary titled, “When Does Online Criticism Become ‘Stalking’?” on law professor Eric Goldman’s Technology & Marketing Law Blog. I’ve been an occasional reader of Professor Goldman’s Technology & Marketing Law blog because I have both a personal and professional interest in both Technology and Marketing Law. Imagine my surprise when I discovered that my case was a topic of interest for them.

As a matter of disclosure, I have never met or communicated with Venkat Balasubramani or Eric Goldman. I have no relationship with either of them. As far as I know, Venkat has no particular inclination to be biased towards me or my legal adversary, Dash Poet Linda Ellis. It appears his interest in my case is entirely professional and his comments reflect that.

Given this, I carefully read his impressions of my case. And while Venkat does not explicitly state how many or which of the court documents he actually read, it certainly appears he did a much deeper reading than most people who have written about my case. Venkat also appeared to have watched the oral argument video of my case with the Georgia Supreme Court.

I give extra weight to Venkat’s legal commentary because he appears to be an experienced lawyer that doesn’t have a vested interest in the outcome of my case one way or another.

Venkat does an excellent job recapping ELI’s history, my background, and the events that led to the original hearing.

This is an online harassment dispute. Ellis, the plaintiff/petitioner, is the author of a poem called “The Dash”. She has achieved some degree of public figure status through the poem’s notoriety. The poem is about a person who speaks at a funeral, and Ellis encourages people to recite (but not publish) the poem. According to Chan, the defendant/respondent, Ellis also engages in scorched-earth copyright enforcement tactics, sending threat letters and extracting settlements from a wide-ranging group of people or entities who post or publish her poem without permission. In other words, she is alleged to be a copyright troll.

Chan runs the “Extortion Letter Info” website. He’s a Georgia businessman involved in a range of ventures. Receipt of a demand letter from Getty prompted him to start the ELI site, which has become a clearinghouse of sorts where people discuss, strategize, and vent about copyright enforcement campaigns. In 2012, after receiving information from a Seattle businesswoman about Ellis’ collection efforts, Chan added a forum to ELI titled “Linda Ellis/Linda’s Lyrics/Dash Poem Forum”.

According to Chan’s brief, one of Ellis’ employees sent a DMCA notice targeted at a document that Chan posted to Scribd. Ellis then sent an “abuse notice” to ELI’s web host, saying that ELI had posted harmful content about (or directed to) her.

This resulted in Chan having to change hosts, and Ellis sent an additional message flagging supposedly abusive content posted to ELI. This abuse notification was not as effective as the earlier one, because the new web host stood firm. Ultimately, Ellis sought a protection order under Georgia’s anti-stalking statute based on several different posts to ELI. She obtained an initial order ex parte, and after giving an opportunity for Chan to weigh in and conducting a (what one party described as a somewhat harried) hearing, the court made the order permanent.

The totality of the evidence in support of Ellis’s request for the protective order consisted of posts to ELI. Some of the posts were by Chan and others were from third parties.

Venkat astutely observed the “strange” involvement of Seattle attorney Timothy B. McCormack. Any conflict that the Dash Poet had with me had nothing to do with him. McCormack’s issues and complaints with me is entirely removed and separate from those of the Dash Poet. The only commonality is that both don’t like me or the ELI Forums very much for the public dialog and exchanges that occur between its readership and participants.

The court also considered the affidavit of a Seattle-based lawyer, who strangely weighed in on Chan’s supposed dangerousness, but then went on to author an amicus brief in support of Ellis. (I wasn’t really sure what the deal was here, although my uninformed guess is that the lawyer and Chan had tangled in the past, in correspondence or via email.)

Venkat gives his opinions on the content where the Dash Poet claimed I was “dangerous” to her.

Chan was admittedly antagonistic towards Ellis. He obviously disagreed with her tactics and had also apparently been paid, by one (or more) of the recipients of Ellis’ letters, to engage in a PR campaign to force Ellis to back down. Chan pushed some buttons. His posts did state a vague intent to engage with Ellis offline, but it’s tough to characterize any of them as truly threatening, or even intending to invade Ellis’s personal space:

A couple of posts from Chan did intimate that he had information about Ellis, including potentially unflattering information:

Chan mentions Ellis’s mailing address, but only in the context of wondering whether her letter-writing campaign is funding her mortgage payments on her house (with a commenter speculating about why her home shares an address with a day care center). The general tenor of his posts is that he has the ability to uncover information about Ellis from various sources, and he encourages others to do the same. None of the discussion is unrelated to her tactics or overall campaign–it may be personal, but it’s only personal because Chan doesn’t like Ellis’s style of copyright enforcement. There’s no dispute that Chan never met Ellis in real-space, followed her in real-space, or called her. (There is one post where Chan alludes to being in the same part of town as Ellis, but the two never crossed paths.) Nor is their any dispute that any of the ELI commenters engaged in these acts.

After sharing his opinion on the allegedly “dangerous” content, Venkat comments on the permanent protective order.

The court issues a permanent order against Chan, in part based on Chan’s supposed violations of the (ex parte) temporary order. Chan appealed. By request of his counsel, the appeal was transferred from the Georgia court of appeals to its supreme court. (Prof. Volokh participated as amicus on behalf of the EFF and Aaron Caplan, a law prof at Loyola who has written a bunch on how these types of ex parte no-contact orders can raise First Amendment issues.) The trial court’s order is striking in its breadth:

I am cautiously optimistic that the Georgia Supreme Court will formally recognize the merits of my arguments that the lower court ignored and disregarded. Nevertheless, I also understand that appeals are always an uphill battle for any appellant. Given this, it is reassuring to read Venkat’s assessment of the problems of the protective order.

It’s fairly obvious that this order has little chance of surviving unscathed. Three of the most glaring problems are: (1) even assuming some posts by Chan did make Ellis reasonably fearful for her safety, there is no basis to remove the other posts; (2) banning Chan from talking about Ellis in the future is a prior restraint; and (3) Chan is not responsible for the comments posted by others and neither the content of these posts nor his failure to remove them should form the basis of liability to Chan (nor should he be required to remove their posts).

Venkat provides further analysis by asking some very important questions that I believe the Georgia Supreme Court will acknowledge and answer.

More broadly, the order raises a question about what is enough to constitute a threat under the Georgia statute. Is a threat to cause her non-physical harm sufficient? Given that it is a stalking statute and references “safety,” one would think the answer would be no. Perhaps someone who engages in repeated one-to-one contacts or physical conduct can run afoul of the statute by communicating statements that are ambiguous threats, but there wasn’t any course of conduct or repeated contact here. Threatening to harm her business interests or her reputation should not suffice. Does disclosing Ellis’s personal information change the analysis? Given that her information is publicly available, the answer here should be no as well. (As a sidenote, the cases would give Chan and ELI wide berth from a defamation standpoint to characterize Ellis’s tactics as trolling or extortionate.)

As I have stated, the Dash Poet played the “frightened female and mother” card to garner sympathy from the local court. It absolutely worked. Venkat picked up on that undertone presented by the Dash Poet’s lawyer during oral argument.

The oral arguments of both sides really highlight their different conceptions of what it takes for online speech to be considered threatening. Ellis’s argument also implicitly raised the question of whether her gender should factor into the question of whether the speech is considered threatening. (This has come up a lot recently in discussions about the types of online harassment women face.) Without mentioning it specifically, Ellis’s lawyer took the tone that “taken in context, of course these are threatening.”

Venkat brought up a case I had not previously known about but is especially appropriate for those who would be accused of  criminal “cyberstalking”.

The case also brought to mind US v. Cassidy, where a judge said that a federal stalking indictment based on online commentary could not withstand First Amendment scrutiny. As in Cassidy, Ellis is somewhat of a public figure and the posts are clearly spurred by Chan’s disagreement with Ellis’s tactics. There’s also no personal relationship between the parties.

Venkat doesn’t specifically mention Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act but it seems implied. He also seems unconvinced that I was inciting or advocating illegal actions towards the Dash Poet. (I wasn’t, not even close.)

It’s also interesting whether someone who operates a website (such as Chan) should be held responsible for the actions of his commenters that he allegedly encouraged. In other words, can Chan somehow be held liable for encouraging others to harass and stalk Ellis? Is he guilty of stirring up a so-called digital lynch mob? I’m not exactly sure how someone would tee up this type of a claim, but Chan was careful about what he encouraged others to do and it seemed clear his speech did not cross the line into illegal advocacy. The factual basis for such a claim was slim, or non-existent. Not to mention that First Amendment concerns counsel a close look at the factual underpinning of any liability in this scenario.

Venkat shares his thoughts regarding using certain laws to inappropriately reign in speech allowed by the First Amendment.

I’ve mentioned in passing that anti-stalking laws are often used to squelch criticism, and this is a good example. Ellis’s complaint is that Chan (and his commenters) are talking about her in ways they should not be. In fact, one of Ellis’s qualms seemed to be that Chan’s site ranked highly in search results, and as a result, people searching for Ellis online would be more likely to see the critical statements about her on Chan’s site. Ellis’s lawyer (or perhaps amicus who argued supporting Ellis) likened Chan’s actions to spray painting an epithet on a high school kid’s locker, or to a “virtual cross burning” [yikes .. strained analogy alert!].

I confess it was nice to read Venkat’s comments about Seattle attorney Timothy B. McCormack. Venkat doesn’t state McCormack by name which of the Dash Poet’s lawyer in the oral argument he is referring to: Elizabeth W. McBride or Timothy B. McCormack, but he does refer to “amicus counsel”. Neither lawyers were very credible but McCormack was the least credible of the two lawyers. The oral argument rarely showed the facial reactions of the Georgia Supreme Court Justices but I can promise you that most of their incredulous facial reactions went towards McCormack’s many outrageous assertions and arguments.

Ellis’s lawyer seemed oblivious to the First Amendment interests at play, trying to cast Chan as some sort of ringmaster, directing a circus of harassment towards Ellis. Although it’s always tough to judge from oral argument, it seemed like the justices picked up on the First Amendment issues at stake, and on the many problems with the trial court’s order. They had some tough questions for Ellis’s lawyers.

Venkat offered one final comment about the oral argument video.

It’s worth watching.

Overall, reading Seattle attorney Venkat Balasubramani‘s article on my case was validation of many important points I made in the lower court. However, the lower court chose to listen to the Dash Poet’s emotional arguments and ignore the true context of the posts in question as well as the First Amendment, in general. I am looking forward to reading the Georgia Supreme Court’s decision when it is released.

Win, lose, or draw, this has been an educational and life-changing experience and case.


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  1. HI Matt,

    We spoke a year ago about a Getty Troll and you helped me. I just wanted to reach out with my support for what you are involved in here.

    Watching how the Ellis attorney’s twist the blog discussion into harassment with mischaracterization and ridiculous analogies just makes me mad. This lady set up a revenue stream around a childish sentimental poem, sadly embraced by the illiterate masses, then engaged in an angry trolling campaign. I so hope you win.

    She’s right about one thing. It is about what you do in the “dash”. And what she’s doing is changing her dash into a big middle finger…

    Good luck,

    • Hello Rich,

      I appreciate you reaching out and posting your support. As far as I am concerned, I have already “won” in that my life is not governed by the protective order and that I have an enormous amount of support from First Amendment advocates. They know the difference between free speech and “true threats”. This legal battle is mostly a battle out of principle and outrage. No way I could have done so well without my supporters.

      Copyright extortionists thrive in the darkness and depend on their victim’s being legally ignorant. They dislike people like me who speak out vocally, “rudely”, and “uncivilly”. I have always known that non-lawyers had a lot more power than they gave credit for which is why I always took ELI to edgier places. Remember, the First Amendment would not be necessary if we were all required to be polite, civil, agreeable, and politically correct. It allows us to be vocal, rude, and confrontational towards injustices we see in this country.

      You should realize that while the Dash Poet may headline the lawsuit, there were other people behind the scenes plotting with her to shut me up and ELI down. One of those people was Timothy B. McCormack who is a Getty Images lawyer. Some in upper management of Getty Images have secretly worked with McCormack (through signed letters and documents we attained) to take down myself and Oscar Michelen.

      What the public sees is only a portion of the animosity copyright extortionists have towards me, Oscar Michelen, and ELI Support Team. The legal battle against the Dash Poet is one piece of the bigger puzzle. So far, I am happy where we are at. I am only one of many. I just happen to be the most obnoxious one and I get a lot of the credit (blame).

      Keep checking back. There are more stories yet to tell.

      • Mathew,

        Even if you win, you will have won in Georgia. The copyright trolls will try to seek to restricting you from other jurisdictions. They may seek ex parte orders out against you from other states even beyond what the long arm statutes allows. You may have won the battle, but you haven’t won the war. A lot of the state courts are receiving VAWA funding and training, which is not a legal education but more the federal government coaching judges to support bench trial verdicts in favor of alleged victims. You probably have seen by now that the family court systems don’t care about the rules of equity, or the first amendment, or due process; it is the home for activist, or judges who don’t want to practice the law. Until someone with standing can force the illegal injunctions to be scrutinized before the federal court, preferably the US supreme court, chiseling away the statutes one state at a time will not be sufficient. By Law, jurisdiction in Georgia is your county, but there are plenty of family court cases where the trial courts are acting without jurisdiction even when being told they had no jurisdiction. Odds are likely that she will try to use the one in Cobb judiciary, which is full of federal criminal offenses conducted by their retired senior judges. Winning will likely require tons of appeals, both discretionary and interlocutory, and you may also have to invoke criminal statutes 18 USC 241/2 against the judges.
        I have in my federal case (lake v ray et al) filed a response to summary judgment including a restraining order with memorandum, so maybe that will be some help in defending freedom.

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